New Comics. - Neither. ago. Probably loses rds 5 and 8. Beyonder 73%. . @dami24434: cosmology expansion. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. 14 years ago. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. VS. Imagine that as a drop of water. He should win against Lucifer. New Comics. This is a higher scale power level. Ima go with byonder. Super Power Score and Level. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. He was initially depicted. Follow 21460. Stops at 4. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. Current Beyonder vs New 52 Spectre. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s greatest heroes. These two interpretations are overpowered as hell, but they have their share of a few problems. Beyonder 16. GEB=Anti Pressence. edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. I really can't be asked to go. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins, while I think he is not. check for yourselves in the Cosmic/Abstract Bios if you wish at Marvel in their histories. Enter, the retcon. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. There are levels of overpowered. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. Super Power Score and Level. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. He comes from outside the multiverse. 2. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. As we can recall he was retconned, meaning most of his feats did not occur. Something like "Weakest DC Villain that could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder" would be fine though. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 7 days ago. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. 12984. 3. She needed an amp (once from Kang, once from Doom) to reach the levels of power she had to cause M-Day. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. Pre-retcon Beyonder is the be all-end all of ALL comicbook characters. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. He is the embodiment of the Beyond-realm which is in fact, another multiverse. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined. He is his total opposite and equal in power. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. so that places a limit on his power. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. MrStealYoSweetroll • 2 yr. Super Power Score and Level. - Fight Scenario -. Super Power Score and Level. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. 9 years ago. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. When talking Beyonder, We're referring to a dude whose power level was measured as "quintillions" of times greater than everything in the multiverse combined, and laughed off a. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. 8 years ago. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. Or maybe some version of Neil Gaiman's Endless beings. 1. Endless Mike. Pre retcon beyonder one shots all. deactivated-63c1a72900876. 1. But, that was in regard to a. That one time Phoenix Force making Pre Retcon Beyonder struggle: is this a testament to her power?. Cc goku is outer by surpassing the universal tree that has infinite dimensions. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. R. ) 4 years ago. Battle for the Multiverse! The Beyonders & Thanos have teamed up to destroy The Beyonder & reclaim power over the Marvel Multiverse. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. Thanos with the HotU has destroyed a Celestial, absorbed every Marvel hero, and then subsequently Eternity, Infinity, and the Living Tribunal. 8 years ago. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. Maybe the 3rd depending on how you interpret things, and we don’t know the 4th. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Round 1: Pre Retcon. No, that was post-retcon Beyonder. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. Multi-Eternity. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Lucifer is a different beast. Motivation: ROB Fight in ROBverse. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. Additional comment actions. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. 4. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Forum Posts. Q, although claims omnipotence, was still very bound with what he could do. Fight takes place in current DC universe. Far from Beyonder levels. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. #13 AgentofChaos1. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. 111 results. Marvel vs DCBeyonder's best feat is defeating a multiverse level entity, the Living Tribunal, which was a big deal. Forum Posts. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. LT. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. I think he wins this. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. 4 years ago. A man as powerful as he is chronically insecure character, Owen Reece has the power to control all matter and energy. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. ] Moon Buster Tier: Able to destroy or move the moon [E. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. Beyonder's every retcon was stated to be this strong , no matter which one you are referring to. The infinite Marvelverse was stated to be like a drop of water in an ocean compared to PR Beyonder's power. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. #8. 0. So if you scale his power he would be at the same level as TOAA is now. We know that there are multiversals, but Pre-Retcon Beyonders kinda man handled LT from what I understood so it's kinda hard to say who would win. As wanky as it sounds, you've pitted an omnipotent+ being against an omnipotent being. I also added scans and references. #5. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. Loki God Of Stories 17. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. meaning that the AR is probably at the level of or maybe even above the true power of DC. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. #2. ) No speculation UNLESS implied orconfirmed by author or company to be true. bloodlisted. Powers and Stats. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. Beyonder is kicked away. That's a sense of just what level the Beyonder is at. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. The Beyonder was ALMOST killed by a Universe level attack. Beyonder is either: A. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Adaption. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. ago. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. Pre Retcon Beyonder would be accidentally retconned once more. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. And since he gave his power to. . 11. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. 9. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. If we ignore Thought Robot's plot manipulating and implied power and go by feats, then I think Beyonder stops at round 9. When Peter had Beyonder's powers for just a. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. 8. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. greater Wheel which is in tur the lowest level of an "telescope stretching all the way back to the eye of the Anui-El, with padomaics innumerable among its infinite walls",. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. Just when you open it up to all of fiction it doesn't create a very fun discussion, and if the only goal is to name characters that can beat him then that kind of creates a boring thread of people just naming off every character of a given power level. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Doom did. Iirc PRB was hit by an attack from Molecule Man that could've destroyed billions of dimensions or something and was nigh-omnipresent and nigh-omnipotent. K. 0. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. Creshosk. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. GhostRavage. VERDICT: For those unaware beyonder is not just 1-A: He's HIGH 1-A, FAR greater than infinity itself. They don’t have a weak point in their past to travel to. #17. That said, outside of raw power I’d believe Lucifer could trick him or otherwise outwit him. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. 4 years ago. Team 1 wins. Pre Retcon Beyonder is boundless while Lucifer n AR thanos are high outer. Beyonder is at a whole new level. Spectre. as strong as mxy was, he was nowhere near that level. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. He has both well feats and statements. #1. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher-. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. not all are the same power level. Combine Pre-Retcon Beyonder and all the Marvel reality warpers, as well as Manhattan and. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre Retcon Beyonder feats Please read these scans before you vote. But This Gaunlet is way out of order, why the heck is Odin and Zeus above Molecule Man. Jan 22, 2017. Beyonder needs some preparation. They do things that are abtract and non-sensical, but quite frankly so does Beyonder so it's a coin flip imo. The conversation about pre-retcon Beyonder?s power have torn down the thread about Thanos with the heart?s power. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. who universe. beyonder is just human level because he looks like a human. canon) Beyonder, because again: "pre-retcon. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. honestly, i'm just here as a beyonder fan (even if he's terrible). The. Follow 4533. ". In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. Thought Robot without any effort. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. Forum Posts. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. Holo-Man • 3 yr. #14. Follow 11369. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. #1. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). NOTHING. Going by Cosmology Tiering. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Even MM said Beyonder was well beyond him In that fight even with half his power. -5. 3. there are tons of ways to argue. Im pretty much clueless on DB and its power levels; but, i cant picture pre retcon beyonder having any difficulties with dragon ball verse characters. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Pre-Recon Beyonder can reverse forbidden magic instantly. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Jan 29, 2017. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. Beyonder is 1,000,000-2,000,000 times more powerful than an Infinitely Layered Multiverse based on the On-Panel direct estimate. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. here are the rules. Could go either way, but I'm siding with Beyonder. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. 3. He holds the power millions of times greater than the multiverse and it's forces combined. Beyonder is either: A. Based on Owen's estimation of Beyonder's power levels. How you interpret that is irrelevant. Post retcon, he is about as powerful as a cosmic cube. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. Follow. Beyonder can no longer kill someone against their will. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. 3. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 1. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 33. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. Wiki Points. ]Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. Takes place in the beyond verse, pre retcon beyonder has summoned his retconned versions to battle each other to. 13 years ago. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. But it wont be easy by no means. 5. Multi-Oblivion 22. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. #28 ovy7. And to consider, that for being a Creature of all encompassing power, SK's brides arent really that powerfull when 6 of them were already destroyed by SCP and the seventh is simply prevented from existing by using Procedure-110 Montuak. the Celestials on occassion were referring to as this strong, which in. No curse words. That concludes beyonder feats now what I conclude from this is:-. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. @sungsam: Current Molecule Man has the power of the beyonders so he is supposed to be more powerful than pre retconned moleculeman who is around the same level as pre retconned beyonder. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. I think he wins this. . Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. Sep 20, 2018. Reviews: 0. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. And he loses. Oct 21, 2006 #2 Yeah there was a few threads about just how powerful pre-retcon beyonder is. Follow 379. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. Follow 3000. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa. The fact is, Michael and Lucifer are on LT's level. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. But you are right about Elder God Demonbane being created just to be all powerful, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is kind of the same he was created to be TOAA of another multiverse outside of the Marvel. Wiki Points. cweaver • 7 yr. He is superior to LT, but to what degree is unknown. 6. Beyonder is the absolute strongest in comics, he has power of. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. jwwprod. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Especially if they all team up on him. #28 ovy7. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. Basanos who are nothing more than a mimcry of Destiny's book could see and create infinite possibilities just to kill Lucifer. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Both sides are in character but determined to win. So I might be missing something. The Beyonder can't do anything to this level of OP shit. Only way Parayla wins is of. ago. Bernkastel first summoned few thousands kitties, Will resisted for a while, but it did not take long for the cats to rip off one of his. 1000 Tribunals and 1000 Eternitys wouldn't do jack against him. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. Theoreticaly speaking yes Pre Retcon Beyonder is above TOAA simply because TOAA is the most powerful being in the marvel universe, and PRB is 1 million times more powerful than the collective. CryptoBrainiac, the highest level intellect in all of DC and the only villain to go out into the Source to find more information how things really are, says Myxzptlk's power of Imagination is infinite. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. I personally think ART wins, but it could go either. -Both sides have a week of prep. Prepare for. Nov 6, 2017. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Even Scarlet King could just literally fart Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. Jim Shooter who was the. Preretcon Beyonder wins. trolls can call other people trolls. Super Power Score and Level. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube.